So... It Was A Garage Door Handle?! UPDATE: PICTURE OF SAID NOOSE.

"PatBateman" (PatBateman) 06/23/2020 at 17:59 • Filed to: Bubba Wallace, NASCAR, garage doors, Mistaken Identity, STOP READING MY TAGS

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FUCKING REALLY?!

ETA: Found a pic of said rope.

Let’s be clear here: Bubba Wallace didn’t do anything wrong. He was told that there was a hate crime that occurred. This pic from a previous race shows that it’s been around for a while now to help pull the garage door down.

But it took an FBI investigation to tell us that, which is stupid.

WilliamsSW > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:04

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I’m so confused...

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:05

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Coincidence that it was only on the garage for Bubba Wallace? I think not... 

For Sweden > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:06

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This is a much better outcome than an intentional intimidation or a hoax.  However, is it an inside job if someone from NASCAR made a loop pull?

The Snowman > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:07

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So to be fair the small noose was there for months and no one cared until the garage was assigned to a black man. Not really sure that is a much better story for the race track and US racism in general.

PatBateman > WilliamsSW 06/23/2020 at 18:08

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Like, I’m all for the stars and bars to go bye bye, and for a much more inclusive environment in motor sports, but HOW IN THE EVER-LOVING HELL did they mistake a GARAGE DOOR PULL-DOWN that had been there FOR DAMN NEAR A YEAR with a HATE CRIME?!

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 06/23/2020 at 18:08

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The FBI found evidence of the knot in that garage from last October.  It was a 1 in 40 chance that the 43 team used that garage.

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:09

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The material from which it was fashioned does not matter.  The article still says it was tied into noose, but that there is evidence it has been there since October, so they concluded it wasn’t directly targeted at Wallace.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 06/23/2020 at 18:09

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My fear was that it would be a false flag thing.

PatBateman > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 06/23/2020 at 18:09

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It had been there since at least October, so yes, coincidence. 

DipodomysDeserti > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:09

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Dios mio...

We do trust FBI investigations again, right? Asking for a friend.

The Snowman > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:10

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Its still a rope tied in a noose in the garage assigned to a black man. The only reason it's not a crime is it was there well before the garage was assigned to him.

For Sweden > The Snowman 06/23/2020 at 18:10

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Tired: Talladega needs to buy electric garage door openers

Wired: This was an eight month conspiracy

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 06/23/2020 at 18:10

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Thankfully it was not.

Dusty Ventures > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:11

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I’d like to know if the door pulls in the other stalls were tied in similar fashion. If it’s been like that since last fall it wasn’t aimed at Bubba either way, but if that’s the only door with it tied that way it’s certainly understandable to initially believe he was targeted

PatBateman > The Snowman 06/23/2020 at 18:11

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The only reason why it’s not a crime is because it’s a pull down for a garage door that someone tied because they needed to pull down the garage door. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:12

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Can we go ahead and get a picture of this? Who ties a garage door handle like a noose and not just a simple loop or knot?

WilliamsSW > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:13

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I hear you,  and feel a lot of that. But I agree with Snowman,  I can't blame Bubba for being on edge.  Not one bit.

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:14

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What a mess

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:14

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“ A crew member for Richard Petty Motorsports discovered the noose Sunday at the Alabama race track. NASCAR was alerted and contacted the FBI, which sent 15 agents to the track to investigate. ”

From the linked article.  15 people standing around looking at a garage door rope lol. 

For Sweden > Dusty Ventures 06/23/2020 at 18:14

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Caution was definitely warranted.  Electric garage door openers are also warranted in a top-level circuit racing series.

For Sweden > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/23/2020 at 18:15

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I think this is from the garage in question

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 18:16

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A noose is a loop knot that holds a loop. Probably made because they didn’t know how to tie any other knot that did the same job.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 06/23/2020 at 18:17

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I can see how a team member would get freaked out with all thats going on.

PatBateman > WilliamsSW 06/23/2020 at 18:17

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Oh, I’m not accusing Bubba or anyone else of malfeasance at all.  But no one could’ve come forward to tell everyone that it had been up since last year just to pull down a garage door?!

For Sweden > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:18

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Do kids in the American South not join Sc outs?

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:18

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Probably the same type of person that said Denny Hamlin was making a “White Power Sign” during his 3rd victory :

https://jalopnik.com/1844118776

It’s like some weird Dan Brown The Da V inci Code like hunt for things to be offended by. Like the red triangle.

For Sweden > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/23/2020 at 18:19

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15 agents who want good seats at Talladega

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:19

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A noose is a very distinct and complex knot. No one who can tie a noose doesn’t know how to tie other knots 

nermal > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:19

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There is absolutely no way that everybody involved in bringing this to light are that goddam stupid.

The forthcoming mental gymnastics from various media and twatterer s defending their initial outrage should be amusing though .    

PatBateman > For Sweden 06/23/2020 at 18:19

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Not anymore, apparently.

My go-to knots are clover hitch and square.

WilliamsSW > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:20

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Yeah, I stand by my original comment about being confused . It’s really weird, and yes I read the whole article before declaring my confusion.

DipodomysDeserti > WilliamsSW 06/23/2020 at 18:20

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To be clear, Bubba had nothing to do with it being reported to the FBI. He never saw it. It was a crew member.

WilliamsSW > DipodomysDeserti 06/23/2020 at 18:21

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Ok thanks- I didn’t realize that. 

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 18:22

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It’s a pretty good knot to use as a loop knot, too.  

PatBateman > nermal 06/23/2020 at 18:23

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There is absolutely no way that everybody involved in bringing this to light are that goddam stupid .

I disagree.  NO ONE came forward sooner with this info; that’s what pisses me off most. 

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:24

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A noose is  a slip knot that would make for a terrible pull knot. It would close on your hand the first time you pulled down on the door. 

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 18:26

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...so you wouldn’t lose your grip.  I’d also like to see a pic of said garage door pull. 

Sovande > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:26

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* Clove hitch

*pedantic 

PatBateman > Sovande 06/23/2020 at 18:27

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My Boy Scout years are long behind me, thank you for the correction.  

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:29

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I doubt we'll ever see a pic

PatBateman > Nauraushaun 06/23/2020 at 18:30

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To say the least.  I’m happy that, after all is said and done, it was just a big batch of bullshit. 

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:31

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Lol what? You do know there are loop knots that do not slip when pulled, right?

PatBateman > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/23/2020 at 18:31

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There’s only one reason why we wouldn’t see a picture of it.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:34

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Because it’s actually a noose and they’re trying to brush it under the rug.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:36

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How universal is the cultural baggage that a noose carries in that part of the country? Like, could you innocently make a door pull in the shape of a noose just because you thought it was funny - some sort of ““abandon hope all ye who enter here” type play on the wrenching nightmares that lurk within - or would pretty much anyone doing it have to know damn well that they were referencing lynchi ng s, and either not care or think that was a goo d thing .

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 18:38

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Like this one?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:39

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PatBateman > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/23/2020 at 18:40

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No, they’d want the public to know what it looked like as soon as possible if that were the case.

PatBateman > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 06/23/2020 at 18:45

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It’s kind of like a Rorschach Test. If you see an object as having a certain message, then that’s the message you’re going to see. If you see it as harmless, then it’s harmless. Could it be just a door pull? Yes, considering that’s what it was. One that was on the door since last year. And no one brought that up until 15 FBI agents rolled up asking questions.

In the US, yes, a noose can have negative racial connotations and often does.  But then, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:48

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T hat’s a slip knot that would either untie itself if pulled by the knot or would tightly cinch itself around your fingers if pulled by the loop

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 18:50

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Would you call that a noose?

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:54

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Too right. No malicious intent it would seem. But it’s a tough issue to put to bed.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:57

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That’s kinda what I was thinking. If it was a universal hate message, surely someone would have thought “Aw , that’s not good ” and taken it down bef or e now: Nascar is redneck, but it’s not the KKK. Strikes me as more of a dark humor thing .

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 18:58

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Yeah

PatBateman > Nauraushaun 06/23/2020 at 19:01

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Keep the CIVIL conversation, toss the event.

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 19:04

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Would an average person think it a noose?  Probably not.

Look, you don’t know what the damn piece of rope looked like, I don’t know what it looked like. We should be happy that it wasn’t a hate crime instead of doing mental gymnastics to figure out why we should still be mad.

The FBI said it was just a garage door pull.  I’m good with that.  

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 19:08

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HEY! Found a pic.

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:09

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You’re one to talk about civil Mr Bateman. What is it you do for a living again? Mergers and acquisitions  was it?

PatBateman > Nauraushaun 06/23/2020 at 19:12

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No, it’s murd...  YES.  Mergers.  That’s it.  

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:14

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So it was a traditional hangman’s noose which someone tied intentionally. 

PatBateman > The Ghost of Oppo 06/23/2020 at 19:15

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It’s a noose.  That’s been there since last year.  To close a garage door.

Jason Spears > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:16

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Enhance.

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden 06/23/2020 at 19:17

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Not since they started allowing The Gays in.

The Ghost of Oppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:18

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My whole original point was that being a noose and a door pull are not mutually exclusive.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:36

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Only tangentially relevant to the whole fiasco, but kinda interesting: TIL that there’s a non-slipping knot that looks more or less like a hangman’s knot.

I was thinking that a noose would make a lousy pull handle si nc e it’d close up on your hand, and wondering how you’d fix that. Turns out the answer is use a Kreh Loop. No idea if that’s what’s been done here: the picture isn’t that good.

https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/kreh-loop

vondon302 > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:39

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2020 can't get anymore ridiculous can it?

TheRealBicycleBuck > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:40

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Alright, here’s another picture of the rope in question:

At the time the video was captured, the garage was assigned to Paul Menard. Here’s the video from which the image was captured:

I watched the entire video. Garage 19 has a loop, but the rest of the garages have straight ropes.

I have no doubt this garage had its rope tied into a noose. It looks like a noose. I’ve tied nooses myself for Halloween decorations. I know how they work. It would make for a crappy grab loop because they are designed to cinch tight and hold. It was probably done as a bad joke by a bored auto tech.

I doubt it was aimed at Wallace.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:41

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No, I'm insinuating they're calling it a door pull to protect someone and they won't show us a pic because it's clearly a noose

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:43

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;)

atfsgeoff > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 19:52

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This is why people have trust issues with the mainstream media

fintail > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 20:06

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Astonishing. Someo ne who works for the track or org didn’t see this and speak up?

The Snowman > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 06/23/2020 at 20:12

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I would say dark humor with a noose should be a no go at any workplace in the US . Looking at this I think most reasonable people would say it looks like a noose I am sure it doesn’t function as one because then it would be a shitty hand trap of a door pull. If I  s aw that in public I would untie it period. 

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff 06/23/2020 at 20:21

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Nascar is the one who brought in the FBI, not the media.

atfsgeoff > DipodomysDeserti 06/23/2020 at 20:29

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Who initially reported on it being a noose?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 20:33

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My fear was that this would be a false flag attack and it was not. I don't fault NASCAR for being overly cautious, but I hear you.

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff 06/23/2020 at 20:47

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A crew member for Richard Petty racing who reported it to security.

The “main stream media” doesn’t go around patrolling nascar garages, Ms. Palin.

atfsgeoff > DipodomysDeserti 06/23/2020 at 21:04

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No but they apparently run with a hate crime story before any veracity is known

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 21:46

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Some guy who made is like.... ooooo fuuuuuuu I didn’t mean it like that....

DipodomysDeserti > atfsgeoff 06/23/2020 at 22:11

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They go with what the press release from Nascar was, which is that they found a noose in Bubba’s garage, and that the FBI is investigating. Which is exactly what happened.

Then when the FBI says it was a rope for a garage and there for months, they report that.

Do you not know how news reporting works?

Or does that not fit your narrative?

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 06/23/2020 at 22:48

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Well, both The Root and Deadspin have run their “But it’s still a noose >:( ” pieces several hours ago but not even a cross post to Jalop.

Still doubling down on the Erik take that buying American has had a deeply racist past linked to a WaPo paywall.

I seriously have to stop looking at FP. B ut it’s a car crash and I can’t help but watch it’s destruction .

atfsgeoff > DipodomysDeserti 06/23/2020 at 23:28

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I know how news reporting happens, I wouldn’t say that it really “works.”

I don’t think narrative means what you think it means, as I don’t report news or write stories and thus can’t have a narrative. If what you meant is agenda, I absolutely have an agenda and it thankfully has nothing to do with being outraged.

Derpwagon > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 06/24/2020 at 00:21

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Watching the mental gymnastics the woke tolerant correct people go through to denigrate and demonize everything they even remotely disagree with is equal parts amusing and disgusting.

PatBateman > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 06/24/2020 at 07:33

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I was worried some jackass either was throwing up a noose as a threat or put it up as a hoax to get sympathy. I’m glad it wasn’t either of those things, but NO ONE that worked there immediately came forward to say that its been there for months?

As I told someone else: we’ll keep the conversation, toss the event. 

PatBateman > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/24/2020 at 07:34

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Yeah, there’s some pit crew guy that knows the truth and is not telling a damned soul that they did it. 

PatBateman > Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com 06/24/2020 at 07:37

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A noose is a piece of rope tied in a certain way. We used it in Boy Scouts in certain scenarios (and yes, the Scoutmasters made sure we didn’t do anything stupid/threatening) . Intent is everything, and if there was no intent, it is simply a piece of rope. 

haveacarortwoorthree2 > The Ghost of Oppo 06/24/2020 at 08:10

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But people also use the term “noose” quite loosely to mean anything from an actual noose to a loop created by tying a simple knot. I haven’t seen closeups of the item at issue here, so it’s hard to say what it actually was.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman 06/24/2020 at 09:28

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we’ll keep the conversation, toss the event.

Well put, Sir.

Someone might’ve hung it years ago to intimidate Driver Wallace and nobody ever noticed.

I really hope it’s different this time.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > The Snowman 06/24/2020 at 09:29

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Its kind of bizarre to see how many peo ple are tripping over themselves to say it no big deal be cause its “ just a piece of rope”. If I tied a noose out of something at work that would absolutely freak at least a couple people out.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > PatBateman 06/24/2020 at 14:08

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Yeah I bet they spit their beer out when it came up on the tv. Bubba is quiet now! I have to say over the years we have made similar things but it has nothing to do with lynchings. I am from Hawaii and it doesn’t even come into my thoughts. I think of westerns and pirates being hung I guess.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Dusty Ventures 06/24/2020 at 15:39

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watching a couple times I can’t see any other looped  ropes. 

Dusty Ventures > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/24/2020 at 20:26

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Looks like one on the 21 car’s garage, but yeah, all the others seem to be a straight rope

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 06/24/2020 at 22:07

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I’m going to second d awr x, outside of halloween i can’t see how that would pass in a work enviroment just due to the threat let alone the racial connotations. Like yelling whore at a woman, if you have a long relationship with in a certain context could be funny, but I’d wager 99% circumstanses would not be recieved positively.